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Sunday, April 9. 2006

The .EU landrush fiasco.  A bumbling registry allows Europe's very own domain name to be highjacked!

Europes .EU domain is being hijacked!
What happens when you match an inept registry with crafty businessmen? The answer is a really large scam. This is what is taking place with the landrush introduction of the new .EU top level domain name. This breaking story is a fascinating study of both grand manipulation and lax administration on the part of the EURid registry.

The landrush was supposed to make the process fair.
Its important to remember that the purpose of the landrush introduction period of a registry, is to provide a fair way to give everyone an equal chance at getting the really good names that are available early on. To do this, most registries take great pains to set up a level playing field, so that all registrars have an equal chance of getting these good names for their customers.

The requirements to be a .EU registrar were just too easy.
To be a registrar for the .EU registry, companies had to:

1. Attest that they were an individual business entity and were only applying for one registrar accreditation.
2. Attest that they were offering registrations to their customers on an equal basis.
3. Make a deposit of 10,000 euros (about US $12,000).

That was about all it took to be a .EU registrar. There was no verification that .EU registrars were really registrars, or were ICANN accredited. In fact, the EURid registry made no attempt to verify that those who applied to be .EU registrars were really businesses at all.

On paper — to a simple-minded person — it seemed fair.
The landrush process, which began April 7, is a very straightforward matter. Here's how it works: All the accredited registrars line up and each registrar gets to make one request for a .EU domain name. If the name is available, the registrar gets the name for its customer. If the name is not available, the registrar gets nothing. Either way, after making the request, the registrar goes to the back of the line and won't get to make another request, until all the registrars in the line in front of it make their requests. This continues until all requests have been made and the landrush process is over. For example, assume there are four registrars A, B, C and D. A requests a name then goes to the back of the line, then B requests a name, then goes to the back of the line. When B goes to the back of the line, it looks like this C-D-A-B. B will get to make its next request after C, D and A make their requests.

But something was very wrong.
The landrush process on the surface seems very fair. But there was something wrong with the process — very wrong.

There was a flaw in the process. It was too easy to create a registrar.
A few sly companies, the most notorious being a company Ill call company X which is believed to be backed by North American mega-millionaires — saw a loophole in the process. These companies, instead of only registering their real active registrars, created hundreds of new "phantom" registrars. Two weeks before the landrush period began there were 800 — many real, many not — accredited .EU registrars. Then just before the landrush period began, Voila! Hundreds more registrars appeared. According to the EURid website at least 300 more registrars appeared. Some legitimate registrars are claiming that the number of bogus registrars could even be much greater than this.

These new phantom registrars were created to hijack the .EU landrush.
These new last minute" registrars were engineered to show up just as the windows closed; many had the same phone number, many had no website, and just about all of them seem to have been created to game the .EU landrush process. Its important to note that none of these last minute registrars could have had time to take any landrush name applications. So the evidence is heavy that they were created for one purpose only —- to game the system.

How Company X and others hijacked the system.
During the landrush process, legitimate registrars like GoDaddy.com and others get one request for a .EU name every time the selection process passes through the list of registrars. Company X and others might get to make one hundred or more requests they get to make a request for every phantom registrar they were able to get accredited by the EURid registry. This increases considerably the likelihood that these companies will get the names that they are after. Legitimate registrars get one request. They might get one hundred or more. Let's go back to my earlier example where I showed how the landrush process worked. Now let's factor in the the phantom registrars that Company "X" and others have injected into the process. My guess is, if there are 1,100 registrars, that about 600 of them are phantoms, created solely to game the system. Not all of these are created by Company "X," a number of companies and groups are participating in this ploy. If I represent groups of legitimate registrars by the letters A through E, and those gaming the system by "X" the landrush process would look like this: "X, X, X, X, X, X, A, B, C, D, E." So you see, most of the names in the .EU landrush are falling into the hands of those gaming the systems.

Company X will make a fortune at the expense of the Europeans.
For the landrush orders that Company X did take, the game works as follow. The .EU names cost them $12.50 each. If the customer is the only one requesting the name, the customer will pay 50 - 75 euros. If more than one customer requests the name, then it is auctioned off by Company X — to the highest bidder. Many of these names will be auctioned off for thousands of dollars. And of course, the likelihood that Company X will get these names is good because they were responsible for many of the phantom registrars created and allowed by the registry, specifically for the landrush process. So you see, Company X and other companies who have successfully gamed the system should make a fortune on the .EU landrush all at the expense of the Europeans.

Heres how the process should have worked.
Now compare this to the deal GoDaddy.com provides its customers. Our orders are taken at $14.75 and are on a "first come, first served" basis. So the first customer who requests a name gets it. No auctions, no scams.

Registrars can also work the landrush for their own account.
Theres also the possibility that Company X and other companies participating in this gaming of the .EU landrush will be snapping up good names for their own account to be auctioned off later. After all, weve all been in the business for years. Its not difficult to know what names will prove to be valuable certainly more than the initial $12.50 registration cost.

The big losers are the Europeans.
The irony of this fiasco is that the primary victims will be the Europeans. Because of the way the EURid registry allowed the landrush process to be gamed, the Europeans will have to pay ultra high premium prices for many of the names they should have had fair access to during the landrush period. This assumes that theyll be able to get those names to begin with.

We saw this whole thing coming.
Early on, we saw this whole scam coming. We tried to warn the EURid registry that their landrush process was problematic and that there was a large potential for abuse. These warnings fell on deaf ears. There have since been complaints filed by dozens of other legitimate registrars about this process. These complaints have been so numerous that the EURid registry has stopped responding to them. They seem to have simply hunkered down for the storm.

Its still not too late to fix the problem.
Its still early enough in the process for the EURid registry to step up and correct the landrush process. Heres what I suggest that they do:

1. Complete the landrush process.
2. Temporarily freeze all registrations until they can examine all registrars to be sure that they are genuine, and actually are in the business of securing domain registrations.
3. Decredit all registrars that were accredited but did not actually take .EU landrush applications, and were not previously active domain name registrars. This will eliminate hundreds of registrars.
4. Cancel all .EU domain names registered by decredited registrars.
5. Unfreeze the names registered during the original landrush process by the remaining accredited registrars.
6. Conduct a second landrush process for the remaining accredited registrars, allowing everyone access to the cancelled registrations.

I dont see the EURid stepping up to fix the problem on its own.
The problem with the above fix is that it would take huevos to step up and implement. This is something that weve seen little of from the people at the EURid registry. So we can be sure unless some authority in the European community steps up and forces them to do it, they will do nothing.

If you want to write to the EURid registry to express your feelings about the landrush process, you can do so at the following link: http://registrar.eurid.eu/en/shared/about/contactUs.html


 

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Why is it that you are allowing non EU residents to register .eu domains at godaddy? isnt this breaking the rules?
#1 Andy on May 6 2008, 11:26 Reply
I have used GoDaddy.com to register my domain. I am extremely satisfied with the service that GoDaddy has provided to me in registering my domain

http://www.pissedconsumer.com/
#2 Mike P (http://www.pissedconsumer.com/consumer-reviews/computer.html) on Jan 31 2007, 20:29 Reply
Hi Barrie

We have had a similar experience to yours see our #1 Ian Jones (http://www.webstore.co.uk) on Jan 24 2007, 10:05 Reply - In our case something allegedly very suspicious happened and we are now busily trying to report this to the appropriate authorities (sorry cannot post details here) and not euroid who have ignored the detail of our complaint & allegation.

Ian Jones
Web-Store Ltd
#3 Ian C Jones (http://www.webstore.co.uk) on Jan 25 2007, 09:35 Reply
Great article ! Our company requested a domain during .eu sunrise and we ended up as the only registrant for it but we still got rejected !

We did not appeal simply because of the expense of an appeal.

Then in Jan 07 we discovered the domain we were seeking was up for sale for 10,000 Euros with a domain reseller (thought they had all been banned ??).

We complained to EURid and guess what the next day the 10,000 Euros had been changed to "make us an offer" or rent for 60 Euros per month. Suspicious or what ??????

Needless to say we do not intend to let this matter rest.

Any comments appreciated.

Ian C Jones - Director
Web-Store Ltd
#4 Ian Jones (http://www.webstore.co.uk) on Jan 24 2007, 10:05 Reply
Once again the EURID process was a flaw!

Nearby all the domains released on 19/12 were registered by OVIDIO LIMITED.

It's really incredible!

Bob, can you tell us something more about this story?
#5 Daniele on Dec 19 2006, 04:12 Reply
I needed two eu names for my small business. Despite mine being the only application for one and the only one after someone failed to submit papers for the other, I have failed to gain the names. What's more these business names are properly registered - and active - trading names. Now I find that to challenge these decisions (for which no real explanation is given) I would have to pay out between 2,000 and 4,000 euros - which I cannot afford to do.
Had there been fair competition for these names I would have understood. Here though there has been none.
At the same time I find that "people" outside the EU were accepted for other domains without question and almost immediately (as opposed to my 6 months).
The whole thing stinks.
Eurid is an absolute sham and should be investigated.
#6 Barrie Redfern on Oct 19 2006, 03:03 Reply
Europe must reboot its fledgling domain name to avoid a system crash, after alleged missteps allowed cybersquatters to stockpile trademarks for auction.
#7 Bill (bestdomainregistrationblog.com) on Aug 31 2006, 11:18 Reply
I couldnt agree more. The company who organised this should never be allowed to do similar again. This will never stop new arseholes doing it however.

Listen up corporations, we are tired of being bullied we are not ignorant and know your game, we will take control again one day, i won't be alive but im sure technology will allow the power of democracy to shine through one day.
#8 calvin (www.calvincrane.com) on Aug 25 2006, 10:23 Reply
Good Story))))
#9 webmaster (http://map8193001.gigador.info/) on Aug 24 2006, 02:50 Reply
sure like there are no other scams by accredited domain registrars. Some of the bigger ones game the market. Simple as that. Just google on network solutions. How their system snatches popular freed up domains. Try to get an expiring domain that just passed his grace period. You won't be able to get it. They are massively bought up by companies like NS, pool.com etc.. They auction them afterwards for big bux. So in some point of view they all play the game. I even got a domain snatch once when I did a look up on a few names (not that important but still a good ones), only a minute later I found out I couldn't register it anymore, right in front of my nose, snatch, they were registered. Coincidence or my actions at a domain registrar monitored by their system? I've been to forums on this matter and some other ppl experienced this too.
In short, as bob says it the megamillionaires rule the world and there's nothing bob or anybody else can do about it. We just have to be patient to see their wealth crumbled under acking economy. lol
#10 zen on Aug 23 2006, 19:05 Reply
Looks like you (and we) maybe got what you (and we) wanted. EurID has suspended 74,000 names and sued 400 registrars for breach of contract.

See http://www.eurid.eu/en/general/news/eurid-suspends-74-000-eu-domain-name s-due-to-breach-of-contract
#11 Robert J Shepherd (www.eureu.eu) on Jul 31 2006, 01:54 Reply
Hi Bob,

It looks like you may finally have been successful with your pioneering campaign against those extremely dodgy .eu registrars which made a mockery of the .eu domain name landrush - I presume that you will have seen the press release, but some of your readers may not have, so here's the link:

http://www.eurid.eu/en/general/news/eurid-suspends-74-000-e u-domain-names-due-to-breach-of-contract

Although the very slow reaction of EURid doesn't surprise me much because it's an EU institution and, like almost any government organisation, EU institutions always tend to be rather too slow to react to anything unless, of course, it involves taxing or other types of revenue raising for their particular institution, or it provides them with extra powers, or an increase in their existing powers.

However, it really is such a great pity that those 'jobsworths' at EURid took so long to act on what was a very obvious scam - they should have pulled the plug immediately you highlighted the problem.

Also, although EURid appears to have finally taken action against some of these phoney registrars, I seem to remember that you suggested that there could have been up to 700 of them altogether, and certainly my own checks on a few of those still listed on the EURid website would suggest that there are a number of phoney registrars which are still accredited.

Great work, Bob, keep it up!

Best regards,

Richard Clarke
#12 Richard Clarker on Jul 27 2006, 03:43 Reply
Bob, I'm writing as the CEO of a UK- (i.e. Europe-) based accredited .eu registrar to endorse pretty much everything you say. (I disagree about the need for registrars to be ICANN-accredited: we're established .co.uk registrars and so .eu is a natural progression without the need for ICANN. But beyond that...)

The problem
Yup, you've hit the nail on the head. During this Landrush II phase, every Tuesday morning I look at the returns for the names we attempt to register on behalf of legitimate European customers and wonder 'what's the point?' as I see the names going each week to the same ragbag of so-called registrars who are quite clearly (without even a serious attempt to hide the fact) phantom registrars acting for just two or three domain collectors. These phantoms don't allow the public to register names on their sites: they're grabbing them for themselves, which is wholly against EURid rules, though I'm sure their lawyers have also arranged phantom registrants to skirt the letter of the law.

And this experience every Tuesday is nothing compared to the start of Landrush in April, or parts of Sunrise.

The cure
The abuse is massive. Probably too big for EURid to handle. But it isn't too big for the European Commission to handle, and the registering of .eu names is ultimately the concern of the European Commission, not just EURid (though EURid would no doubt hate registrars going above its head).

Because the abuse is so massive, the EURid guys seem to be burying their heads in the sand and virtually ignoring complaints from individual registrars. But I do believe they need to be made to listen. And if they can't handle the consequences, the complaint should be escalated.

So, because the abuse is this massive, I believe bona fide registrars need to come together on this. A loud and joint demand from many registrars at once should result in an investigation and revokation of many abused registrations. EURid has the power to do this and may develop the muscle if pushed by weight of numbers.

Maybe all it takes is a letter signed by scores or hundreds of registrars' CEOs.

Bob, as one of the smaller registrars, I don't know the best way forward. I am not on first name terms with the big guys. You may be, I don't know. But it would be good to hear your thoughts on developing this approach, and developing it soon.

As you've posted your thoughts in your blog, I've replied in the same forum. Whether you want to converse here or take it offline is up to you.

regards

Robert
#13 Robert on Jul 4 2006, 03:14 Reply
The most disappointing stuff is that many weeks before this article from Bob Parsons, many european registrars have published press releases and articles announcing a big cybersquatting campaign on april 7

Many articles have pointed out the strange behavior of companies like http://bollywoodbabes.info/ for exemple where the official eu registration page is in fact a list of sponsored links without any way to registrar eu domains

Eurid was informed soon enough to react before april 7 but did'nt react at all.

Accepting so much fake registrars was a way for eurid to make profitable business : 1600 registrars times 10000 euros is a 16 000 000 euros profit without pain
#14 lapaille (www.netline.be) on Jun 9 2006, 10:42 Reply
Hi, are you planning to sue Eurid?
#15 Danny (www.internetbanking.eu) on May 25 2006, 02:34 Reply
Hi Bob
Thought you might like to have this information - it comes from a reliable
austrian hosting outfit. support@webagentur.at
Kindest
Margaret

See the translation for you below:

The first names unsuccessfully applied for during Sunrise will be released on June 7. Names released will include all expired domain names and those for which the last application in the queue for that name was rejected 45 days prior to May 24. Only names which are subject to ADR proceedings will not be released.

After valuable input from registrars and the Internet community, EURid has decided to publish the release dates for domain names in the Sunrise WHOIS database instead of in a list, as previously stated. By not publishing the names to be released in a list format, EURid wants to make it more difficult for possible cyber squatters and domain name pirates to harvest a large
number of domain names.

From the 24th of May onwards, it will be possible to see, in the Sunrise WHOIS, if the domain name will be up for release on June

Parties interested in a domain name can easily look it up in the Sunrise WHOIS before trying to register it on June 7.

Subsequent releases of Sunrise domain names will take place on a weekly basis on Tuesdays at 11:00 (Belgian time) starting June 13.

These weekly releases will continue until all names, applied for during Sunrise but not awarded to any applicants, have been released.

The WHOIS entry for a domain name will reflect which Tuesday it will be released. All names for which the last application in the queue has been rejected, and for which the ADR period plus twelve days has passed, will be eligible to be released.

Since releases occur weekly, one can say that a name will be released some time between 52 and 59 days after the last application in the Sunrise queue for that name has been rejected.
#16 Margaret Stead (www.careersnet.com) on May 24 2006, 04:55 Reply
Nice article, i completely agree
#17 Nina Krause (http://www.xlzr.com/) on May 17 2006, 10:47 Reply
#25.1 bob parsons on Apr 12 2006, 16:52 Reply
Dear Bob!

very interesting, but this is not the whole story! you know the scam began in sunrise!

the sunrise was supposed to make the process fair and protect trademark owners.
it did, but unfortunatly the inept EURid created a new kind of cybersquatters/domain name grabbers, too.

Everybody whois in the domain biz knew this - some of the slashers are the owners of the most valuable names now!
They just changed fronts.

It's not really important at all if the landrush was abused, because almost all generic names off value have been registered before.
In landrush the cybersquatters were just harvesting the rest. Don't want to think about landrush II in June now!

EURid made it pretty easy to get ANY name you wanted - there was just the need to register
a trademark for something stupid in advance. They did not really check or cared a second if the trademark
made sense or just had been registered a few hours before to get the domain! remember they charged high fees for "checking".
There were thousands of generic names registered in sunrise -the brand phase!- from "business" and "marketing" to "dogs" and "cats".

Here are some examples out of 10.000+(!) how the cybersquatters made it and EURid protected them:

shopping.eu was registered by a cybersquatter using a trademark "shopping" for oven gloves!
Musicals.eu was registered using a trademark musicals for dung/fertilizer!

But there was even no need to make it such difficult.
It was enough to have a 24h- trademark like "market&ing" to get marketing.eu.

Even the Vatican (the home of the pope!) and Switzerland are owned by grabbers now.
check the .eu whois and you will determin that the top 500 names are owned by aprox. TEN cybersquatters, only! - not kidding!

We complained at the EU but they do not seem to understand, what this means!
.eu will be a dead top level for a very long time!

Besides Bob, did you complain about that? If not, why? I got stupid answers from your office concerning the sunrise abuse!

best regards

Carsten
#18 joshuamokoena on May 14 2006, 17:14 Reply
Dear Bob,

I have to congratulate you with your excellent intervention concerning the .eu landrush! Not that I share your criticism. Quite the opposite, I think, Bob, that you are missing a couple of important issues. You have clearly not taken the trouble to read the regulatory texts (EU Regulation 733/2002 and EU Regulation 874/2004, both available on EURid's website) concerning .eu and you also seem to be unaware that a registry in a dominant market position (not to mention the M-word that registries hate so much) is not doing the things as a registrar confronted with potentially hundreds of competitors. For starters, EURid is bound by a very strict non-discrimination principle. If company A can prove it is a company and it is willing to accept the contractual conditions offered by EURid then the latter cannot simply refuse it as a potential registrar. It is not allowed to treat potential registrar A any different than potential registrar B or potential registrar C. The sentence " There was no verification that .EU registrars were really registrars, or were ICANN accredited." actually made me laugh. Is that what you understand under competition, Bob, to allow only a limited number of existing registrars? New companies wanting to enter the market are going to like this very much. Unfortunately for you (but fortunately for the people who want a .eu domain) EURid cannot limit acces to .eu registrations for existing registrars. It would be undemocratic, discriminatory, non-transparant and probably a huge infringement of the existing .eu legal texts.

Nevertheless, I wanted to congratulate you. It's amazing how you have managed to seize the hype concerning the launch for .eu and turn it into benefit for your own personality and company. It is a brilliant and simple plan. You figured that the launch of .eu would generate a lot of media coverage. You took advantage of this to launch an agressive and negative article on your blog mentioning the event under media coverage. Then you invite potentially intellectually disabled individuals to copy your thesis and suggested solutions and forward it to the registry or to any other souce that would be able to put it in the spotlight. And the winner is...Bob Parsons and his company. Suddenly the name of Bob and his company are appearing everywhere, creating visibility for his company that would have costed millions on advertising money. This was a very clever move, Bob, and I congratulate you for it.

Leaves me with the thought that if it would be true that US based persons and people would have hijacked the .eu name space,it will be their data that are appearing in the whois as owners of the domains or incorrect "phantom" (to use you favorite wording) data. In both cases EURid could delete the domains concerned. Firstly, because you need a connection with EU territory in order to be a .eu domain holder and secondly, because you are contractually obliged to give in correct contact data.

Sincerely,...
#19 joshuamokoena on May 14 2006, 17:10 Reply
Hi Mike and Mariska:

This may be of help to you, and anybody else who has a legitimate claim to a .EU domain.

I had the need to talk to the folks at EURID about another matter, and the subject of this blog, and Parsons' tirade blasting EURID, came up. I was asking EURID what would happen if a domain was unfairly registered, as I felt Parsons was just shooting off his mouth...which it turns out he is. To prove my point, I registered a .EU domain through Go-Daddy using completely false information, although I stopped when it came time to pay. There are no controls on Go-Daddy as to who registers a .EU domain. Furthermore, Go-Daddy is a favourite Registrar of Domainers. If you don't know what they are, they are domain name speculators, many of whom have registered .EU domains and who also do not live or work in Europe.

So, here's what EURID has to say on the matter:

If you have a legitimate claim to a domain name, and you think that the registrant does not fulfil the requirements of citizenship or real address in the European Community, you can make a complaint directly to EURID, you do not have to suffer through the ADR procedure. If your claim demostrates foul play, the domain will be taken away.

However, EURID does not have the resources to check each and every domain registered during the landrush, which is how the cheaters got their names to begin with. It is up to you to file the complaint.

I registered my .EU domain during the EURID Trademark Sunrise, and I can assure all of you cry babies who now scream incompetance that EURID was, indeed, very thorough in checking ALL of my documentation before allowing me to even apply for the name.

So instead of pointing the finger at EURID, Mr Parsons et al, why don't you use your power to go after ALL of the Eurid Registrars. And, first, make sure that each and every one of your .EU registrants are who they say they are.

Steve
#20 Steve Russell (http://www.villas.com) on May 12 2006, 09:00 Reply
thanks for info. very useful!
#21 andrew (http://actgeoeng.mod.net.au) on May 11 2006, 01:25 Reply
Hi Mike,

Did you try already to buy your name back from Lexicon.It has also captured my Company name, and I wondered if you are succesful in buying yours back.
Or if you have any other suggestions.

hope to hear from you.

Mariska
#22 Mariska on May 8 2006, 07:24 Reply
Well, at least you tried to help out Bob. It seems that someone probably is on the take at the .EURid, especially if shady American Moguls are involved. It's sad your company got a disadvantage for being honest, but since when has anyone been able to trust American business ethics? It'd be nice to redo the land rush, but from a cost benefit analysis, it probably makes better sense to take their lumps and learn from the experience to not repeat the mistake again. How much would you authorize your company to spend to correct the mishap?
#23 Steve on May 6 2006, 15:06 Reply
"Takes one, to know one"

I am not un-sympathetic to Bob's views about the .eu landrush failure.

However, the focus is primarily based on a merchants view (cybersquatter).

Yes, all 2-letter and most three letter .eu domains were taken by cybersquatters. As were just about all dictionary words.

BUT IS THAT REALLY A PROBLEM?

I am not sure it is a big problem. If companies wanted the names, they had the chance. Now, if they wish to acquire them they can probably do so via the mafia.

Its not different to real estate.
#24 Allan Pedersen on May 3 2006, 22:30 Reply
Actually I am European and I have been living in the USA since 1997. Music.us has been around for 3-4 years and building the next thing since itunes and myspace. I resent your claims my friend. I work with all the major companies in the USA including Real, iTunes, BMG, Musicians Friend etc. Before you throw random conclusions you should do your research my friend. The key here is value added. I work for the music community and do not want people with no operations and false illegitimate claims stealing names. PLain and simple. I never created a national trademark and never had to cheat the system for getting my work accomplished. There is a fine line in morals and business ethics my friend.
#25 Costa (http://www.music.us) on Apr 25 2006, 15:58 Reply
AS chairman of godaddy Bob failed by trying to be fair. Since when did you get to become chairman by being fair and crying fowl play. I waisted money with godaddy and will never do so again. bottom line, USA company looks after eu domains and money does the talking so influence from Europe will acheive nothing,they dont care where the money it comes from just as long as they get it quick.
#26 baz on Apr 25 2006, 14:56 Reply
IF someone is monitoring this thread, you may want to post this elsewhere, as the information is very, very important for people who feel they were cheated by gamers in the .EU landrush!!!

I had to speak with the EURID folks on another matter, and we got on the subject of Bob's Blog and people using false information to get .EU names during the landrush period (The Trademark and Industry Sunrise was MUCH more stringent than just typing in an address in a web-based form). HERE's WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY........

EURID has reserved the right to deny, and set aside, the registration of a domain name, after the fact and without ADR claim, if the person or entity obtaining that name can not prove one of the three legal requirements for an .EU domain, namely: natural citizen of any one of the EU countries; bona-fide business presence in Europe; or, non-EU based but with a bona-fide business subsidiary in EU.

Unfortunately, they do not have the resources to verify 1.5 million applicants.

However, if someone brings a complaint to EURID over a disputed name, and can show that the registrant does not fulfill the requirements of residency, then EURID can take the name away. It is, therefore, incumbent upon anyone who feels that they have cause for a legitimate complaint to contact EURID.

Just thought some of you might want to know this.

Good luck, and all the best
#27 Steve Russell (http://www.villas.com) on Apr 25 2006, 11:19 Reply
Simple my friend. I did not apply for it in the Sunrise period because obviously you can not trademark "music" but I got it after the landrush. However, i do have an issue with bogus trademarks. Obviously my claim is bigger than any other registrant. I do have a business, I am an EU member and definitely have the best interests of the music community. Also when you look at .eu and the .us typosquatting is an issue. I receive 1 million visitors a month. The "e" letter letter on the keyboard is above the "s". The "u" is the same. SO when someone searches for music.us in most cases that I have witnessed they will type in ".eu" instead of "us" - I will visitors obviously because of this. PLus i would like to challenge anyone else that has a better claim or think they own the "music" trademark. Fair is fair, if I lost it in the landrush on a first-come first serve i would say "ok" but if i was robbed of the process then I definitely have an issue against that. I just do not want typosquatting to occur and cybersquatting. PLain and simple
#28 Costa (http://www.music.us) on Apr 24 2006, 17:09 Reply
Those 2?

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#29 Stefan Hutchins on Apr 24 2006, 06:34 Reply
I can not agree more with M. Parsons, who if I remeber well is the founder and CEO of GoDaddy. My own name, "thauvin" was stolen by a non european citizen who suposedly should not have been allowed to get it (or at list, I should have had a higher priority as I am a european native and resident.

The funny part is here : his registrar is GoDaddy :-)

Who said some registrars did not behave properly?
#30 Blaise Thauvin (www.thauvin.org) on Apr 21 2006, 00:51 Reply
of cource the eu registrar isint going to recall all those domains. it would say we admit we did something wrong and that would ake a bunch of problems and especially mad greeks. bot good
#31 a person on Apr 20 2006, 16:45 Reply
Hold on there, Super Bob.

I'm an American, I live (legally) in Europe and have a business here. A VAT registered, tax paying, people employing business with a real business address. The EURID Sunrise and Landrush requirements are exceedingly clear. Any applicant must be an:(i) undertaking having its registered office, central administration or principal place of business within the Community, or (ii) organisation established within the Community without prejudice to the application of national law, or (iii) natural person resident within the Community.

Go Daddy is one of the most popular, and successful, American Registrars amongst the non-euro Domainers. All you one has to do is go on any of the Domainer forums to see them already trading their .EU names in a feeding frenzy.

I wonder, Bob, how many of your registrants are legitimately entitled to receive these names you have registered for them? Hmmmm? Did you do anything to assure yourself that they were? I just went on the GoDaddy site and ordered an .EU domain using completely and ridiculously false information and was able to get a my name of choice. Maybe, as long as you are thrashing and trashing EURID to do the right thing (which they clearly have done), perhaps they should also investigate each and every domain registered by you and the other Registrars to make sure that the recipients are indeed based here, and not just through some shadow proxies for the non-European applicants. And then when they find out that applicants are not legitimate, throw those names back into the pot for those for which they were truly intended, namely the Europeans...NOT the parasitic non-Euro Domainers who think you walk on water.

I got my names during the Trademark Sunrise, and I had to submit hard proof of who I was, where I was, my VAT Reg. Nº (Euro Tax I.D.) and my trademark.

Your chest beating and whinge is much of a muchness (British for "nothing of a nothingness";); and for someone living in a glass house, you sure are throwing some pretty big stones around.

Really, dude, get a grip.

All the best,

Steve
#32 Steve Russell (www.villas.com) on Apr 19 2006, 17:09 Reply
Commiserations. Unfortunately the disgraceful extortion that takes place in the domain industry seems to be widely accepted and even encouraged.

If someone would pay only 50 euro for a domain themselves, 500 euro absolutely the maximum selling price that is justifiable.
#33 anon on Apr 19 2006, 02:10 Reply
Name Battery, Ltd. also have registered my name mereu.eu.

But is'not possible lurk in database to check how many domain have one society ??

ciao, beppe
#34 beppe (www.mereu.it) on Apr 18 2006, 23:17 Reply
hi dear thomas, thank you so much for the information ..lexicon has also captured also our name .. we are a german import company .. our internet provider (the largest german one .. 1&1 did not manage to register our name .. ) lexicon was faster .. i have asked my lawyer for help . .but they seem to be slow .. and walk the eu decreed slow trail ... i fear . before we get going .. lexicon has sold our name .. can you suggest a fast track .. to get our name back? thks in advance mike
#35 mike on Apr 18 2006, 23:03 Reply
Hi, Jean here from South Africa. I always read the emails/letters/ hints and tips from Bob Parsons ... and let me say one thing! - He always "explains things in great detail" and in a manner which the 'lay-man' can understand, especially with all this computer jargon.

BoB Parsons comes across as extremely honest and ethical and all the registries/registars...should take heed of what he says, in fact they should consult with him on all matters pertaining to fair business practices, common sense, common logics, .... in fact they should all pay him a retainer to oversee their administrations!

Like all the previous "landrushes" there are always the con-artists that try and play the system 'illegally' and one wonders why.... when ...evidence of this comes to the fore...why the registrars/ registries dont take cation!

This landrush seems to be the worse in terms of "ease-of-abuse".

The fact that the EURid Registry does not take action makes me think that they are part of the scam.... they are prat of one or many syndiactes playing the system .... and thus obviously earn a percentage commission ....as a "silent partner" .... a percentage of turnover!

For EURid registry to take action.... that would mean they would be cutting off theirs noses to spite their faces! I mean, why destroy your sideline business of netting thousands on the sly .... secretly!

If EURid registry does not take immediate action ....that means they are 'part-of-the-problem'.... and perpetuate it, rather than nipping it in the bud. It obviously means that they are in cahoots with the gamers!

What else could hold them back?

It's no different to telling the cops where a murder is haning out, ...give them an address, exact details etc., and they do nothing about it! i.e. there is 'something in it' for them!

If EURid registry dont take immediate action - on the lines of what Bob Parsons suggests..... then they are condoning the practice, which means they are condoning a dishonest act, which means they are condoning "dishonesty".... i.e they are themselves dishonest .....and should be thrown out of office - arrested & charged ...adn the EURid administration be handed over to another organisation - preferably Bob Parsons, .... alternatively, if it is not issued to Bob Parson's administration .... then any other organisation has to "take on" the services of Bob Parsons to validate and verify all due protocols, to ensure absolute fairnmess to all - Globally!

Bob Parsons.... should run all Registries!

Warm regards and take care,
Jean...here in sunny South Africa!
#36 Jean Hughes (still under construction) on Apr 18 2006, 07:39 Reply
As far as I know EURid is a registry not a trademark office, nor a registry for corporations, as far as I have understood it is a domain name registry. That would mean that EURid cannot decide who is allowed to have a company or not nor who is allowed a certain trademark or not, which would mean the problem lies elsewhere. Additionally, as far as I know, EURid did demand proof of a company's existence, in cases where there was a doubt. So, I am not sure, what Mr Parsons means the registry should have done? Gone beyond the rules set up by the European Commission and the European Council?

Surely there must be someone else to blame for a system that has obviously failed?

I must thank Mr Parsons however, for opening up a dialogue on the issue, no matter if it is in a PR purpose or not, I do believe it is an important debate to hold. However, be careful of the blaming and shaming, as GoDaddy is not the one to throw the first stone, especially not in the .eu debate...

#37 Jane (http://registrar.eurid.eu/en/registrar/) on Apr 18 2006, 04:16 Reply
I flagged up this problem at the ICANN meeting back in 2004 (see the last 3 lines of my article and the main article itself here: http://www.icann.org/meetings/capetown/icann-domainnames-workshop-doc1-0 1dec04.htm ).

I also received this assurance from Eurid in July 2005:

"The accredited register must forward to EURid only those applications he received after accreditation, and he must do so on a first-come-first-served basis. Auctioning with the domain name is definitely not allowed. Not complying with the regulation and as well as the agreement is a breach of contract.

On a similar note, we don't allow reselling.

The end consumer should at at any time know who is responsible for what and who would be the accredited registrar. This should be made clear at all times and should be explicitely mentioned in the agreement with the end consumer."

If any of these shell registrars were set up for Pool and accredited at the last moment, it is worth noting that the majority of applications would have been received before accreditation (because Pool was inviting applications months ago).

I also note that "auctioning is not allowed" and I note that Pool is using an "auction" model. What is Eurid's position on this?

Finally, I don't see how the end consumer can know in advance which "shell registrar" will be their "registrar" if they apply through a 'parent' registrar. Therefore, Eurid's statement that the end consumer should know who the registrar is seems problematical.

Yours,

Richard Henderson
#38 Richard Henderson (www.atlarge.org) on Apr 17 2006, 01:01 Reply
My post was not about someones arrogance (that was only a post-note), but about the fact, that someone registered lots of domains an now is auctioning them through a robot!
As it seems someone programmed a money-making machine:
- register generic words
- advertise them on sedo.de with a starting price of 5000 Euro
- answer to queries with standard sentences like " I am also negotiating with other sedo users" (when in fact i was the only bidder) or "I have previously received higher offers"

Can anyone else confirm the same experience?
#39 Markus on Apr 16 2006, 01:05 Reply
I am one of those beaten by cyber squaters. I have a local website currently at mycambs.com which is for local people. Due to the difficulties in search engine optimisation I wanted the word cambridgeshir in the domain and was glad to apply (and thought i had) cambridgeshire.eu. It showed that a company in the us also had a petiton for this name, what worse case is there, how can they argue that they have more right to this domain. I was born in cambridgeshire and live there. And now operate www.mycambs.com a website about cambridgeshire for cambrigeshire people.

This is wrong and I will try to fight this on whois.eu

I listen to the show and know how you hate cyber squatters. like you say this was designed to comabt exactly what eventually happened in this case.

grrrr

calvin
#40 calvin crane (www.mycambs.com) on Apr 15 2006, 18:21 Reply
Dear Markus,

I disagree completely.

Appreciate your post,

Bob
#41 bob parsons on Apr 15 2006, 09:27 Reply
Dear Markus,

Of course I have US-centric arrogrance. Tough for me to have Italian-centric arrogrance. I'm located here in the U.S.

Just teasing. I kid the Italians. I love Italy and everything about it. Rome is one of my favorite places outside of the USA. I like Rome almost as much as Las Vegas. In fact I think of Rome whenever I'm walking through the Bellagio.

Appreciate your post,

Bob
#42 bob parsons on Apr 15 2006, 09:24 Reply
Dear Peter,

Whilst I truly and fully accept your arguments of 'ICAAN accredited' being non-sense for .eu registration, and that small companies have every right to participate and start their business with .eu, Bob Parsons this time raises a very valid general point, which you have completely ignored.

I personally saw several domains registered by non-existent companies, domains that I was looking for. One such domain was registered by "ColumbiaNames.com LLC", clearly a fraudulent company having nothing to do with Europe, and with non-existent web-site. Another domain was a four-letter domain name, and it was registered by a .nl company on behalf of a .nl individual (or so they claim), although the very same four-letter domain is still free in .nl, and in every other european union domain registry.

EURid MUST address the key issue raised here:

why half the registers do not accept any domain name registration applications or do not even have a web-site.

Cheers,
C. A. M.
#43 cam on Apr 15 2006, 06:50 Reply
Hi Bob,

There are some comments you might want to review and possibly post a review at http://buytaert.net/drupal-eu-hijacked.

Thanks,
Walt
Captai n, USMC (Veteran)
#44 Walt on Apr 14 2006, 08:35 Reply
You forgot that Company X was not really good at catching .EU domains, they seem to have got most crap domains. The best registrars were, of course, European.
#45 Markus (http://www.dietist.se) on Apr 14 2006, 08:27 Reply
I' am Italian...
I applied for some generic eu-domains for landrush. None passed. Now I find those domains for sale on SEDO. They all cost exactly 5000 Euros, and if I ask to justify the high price, I get the same standard answers. There seems to be a bot selling them on SEDO...

I agree with the solution Bob proposed (but not with his US-centric arrogance).
#46 Markus on Apr 14 2006, 06:18 Reply

Well I got my own back in a funny kinda way with UnitedStatesofAmerica.eu and AmericanEmbassy.eu
but thats little consolation. If anyone wants to buy them for a serious price then do a whois and send me a mail. No fan mail" please.

NoThanks
#47 Frankie Goes to Hollywood on Apr 13 2006, 15:03 Reply

The company lexicon media lts is owned by Raymond King and Jay Wetherdal. Let me tell you something else also that is not yet Public. The European Authorities in 2 Countries are now investigating these matters .I shall not say more because I do not want these 2 persons to know what angle they are coming towards them from ,but believe me they are coming for them , but from a different angle to that which may be expected.

Fred
#48 fred Bloggs (http://www.eurid-are-incompetent.com) on Apr 13 2006, 14:56 Reply


By the way I would refer everyone to the European Commission rules & regulations (the Law in Europe) under which European Commission appointed Eurid. Those Laws lay down strict guidelines that Eurid appear to have broken ,including that they will ensure Registrars are competing on equal terms. If you do a search on "Commission Regulation (EC) No 874 / 2004 " you will see a .pdf file detailing all the rules. Perhaps someone like Bob's lawyer might look at those laws and see which ones have been broken. What people have to realise that these are not just Eurid rules that are being brokern but European Regulations. THAT is the way to beat this, but it takes the money that only Bob has !!.Bob you going to put your money were your mouth is ??. Get a European Lawyer to look it it ,you must have the money and you'll go down in history as hero of the domain industry !!

Fred
#49 fred Bloggs (http://www.eurid-are-incompetent.com) on Apr 13 2006, 14:53 Reply

Hey

Id appreciate if someone would make Eurid aware of my website at http://www.eurid-are-incompetent.com
so they get the message !!. Their email addy is info@eurid.eu

By the way found another company of Raymond King and Jay Wetherdal's is Name Battery, Ltd. Registrar also of theirs I presume is Chinesedomains, LLC chinesedomain.cn
registered kraut.eu and many others.

Fred
#50 fred Bloggs (http://www.eurid-are-incompetent.com) on Apr 13 2006, 14:46 Reply
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