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Are you kidding? VERISIGN lift a finger??? They are owned by Ebay for Pete Sake!!

Ebay doesn't lift a finger to combat fraud on it's mother ship WHY IN THE WORLD would it start doing it on Verisign?
#1 Good Grief on Apr 1 2008, 21:25 Reply
so GoDaddy is clean?

yeah right..

so why do you show up regularily as domain provider for
well known bahamas fronted domain-hijackers ?,

time-after-time-after............ ???

#2 dr.no. on Jan 23 2008, 10:51 Reply
Now that we have a name for it - Domain Kiting - we can hopefully put sufficient pressure on ICANN to help eliminate this from the TLDs. I've known this had to have been going on for a while now, but this was a great and simple explanation of how the financing of the operation works within the loophole.

For Bob's example control of 100,000 domain names could be had for under $3,000 a month. Your breakeven point (not including equipment and network) would be reached if you could generate an average of just 3 cents click thru per site; And wow! What a lucrative upside.
#3 Shivagit on Apr 26 2007, 15:59 Reply
Hi bob and the others here,

I think icann and verisign get paid in order to provide a better domain market ethics… so where are they now?

Tasting? What means tasting? When you order a pizza you taste it free before you buy it?? (ohh sorry I don’t like the pizza! Can I throw up it back to you???)

Icann accreted? I don’t know much… I am not accredit :p but I bet that you sign a lot of user aggrements that say YOU MUST DO LAWFUL TRADE AND NOT ABUSING. Are they? No? So, why not deleting these companies? Its obvious that they do abuse and don’t respect the rules…

They don’t record whois?? Big big lie
Some also say that they record to make suggestions to other users for domain names… Is this legal end ethic??? You sell my ideas that I trusted u in your search box????!!! I pay u and you steal my ideas???!! Did I gave u the permission for that?

And the most disgusting... registering it for their shelves or with a sub company to make extra profits by selling it back to me or to someone else. Do you understand what they do? They use us like intelligent bots which are finding precious domains!

Furthermore everybody knows that in order to be secure transaction of information is needed ssl protocol! Does the registars have by default in they first page and in all the pages that you enter domains to search.. ssl???! I don’t hear ya??

And I will say something that happened to me because I was just relaxed after hours of searching..
I found two good domains but I didn’t registered the same day..
And yeah you can imagine what happened the next day… both of them registered by 2 registars!!
And quess what.. I did a little search and I found how stupid and lame they are, they don’t even know how to cover their evidence… Both companies in reality
are the same person/company (proven)*! My 2 domains were registered in the same date by the sub companies which after a search are linked to a bigger one and the chain goes on… So what have to say about this?
They only thing i have to say is that crooks.com should be owned by them with all the legal copyrights lol

I really like this topic but don't even know who to believe ;)

& i will finish with a song

Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
Travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

And BTW have u seen (The master of domains!) ICANN's website? poor poor poor...
#4 wick3d on Apr 24 2007, 06:00 Reply
You want to know why so many of you brand owners are up in arms? It's because Reis and Trout actually got it wrong: It's not enough to own one word.

In their Classical thinking words in the Dictionary count. These words are acceptable (after all they are in an authoratative Reputable dictionary) and have a specific combination of letters in a certain order of a certain set of letters. For them, using these words as brands, implementing systems that define these words and creating an association in the minds of customers is owning the word. And if you can't own the word, then combine it with others into a new word that you can own and so you can hold tight to that one combination of letters in that certain order which is acceptable to you.

If you think like this, then "domain kiting" is the itch for a healthy dose of Lanacane. What domain kiting proves is that brands are really represented by many words, many combinations of letters in various orders not just the one you thought you associated with in people heads. People (customers and prospects) may intend for "verizon" and "veriz0n" and "Vreizon" to be the same thing. You can't handle it because you budgeted only for "verizon" in that expensive marketting campaign that cost you a lot of late nights and pints of blood,sweat and coffee. And of course the old creaky grey hair'd boss don't like that you want to call it "verizio" 'cause some people would actually spell it that way. So to get even from your stance between the rock and the hard place you call "Vreizon" a "misspellings" and blame the customers and prospects.

The solution is not to cry out to ICANN, which sounds like "Daddy! Daddy! Daddy! He stole my name!". The solution comes from realizing that you learned it wrong: one word fits the book budget sense (text book and dictionary) but not reality. Do yourself a favor, take some of the billion dollar profits you make on a semi annual basis and run some combinations of the your name and purchase a scope of spellings not just one then you won't have to cry out so much.

Oh... even the spell checker doesn't understand what I'm saying.

- M
#5 M (http://devbleue.com) on Mar 7 2007, 17:23 Reply
We have just been the victim of domain kiting. And we filed a complaint with ICANN. Let's see what happens (if anything).
#6 Chris Kameir (http://www.kameir.com) on Feb 26 2007, 20:05 Reply
It is the cheats that wreck it for all of us.
They all make a buck out of it. that is why nothing is done.
Follow the money and you will find green backed scum.
Kiting devalues the internet for everyone.
ICANN, or should I call them ICANT - useless waist of space.
#7 Honest John on Feb 24 2007, 07:22 Reply
Yeah, I agree Bob, this is ridiculous. Register.com is doing this with one of my domains that just recently expired under their system (registered 5 years ago with them - just started using GoDaddy last year - now the only domain registrar I will use!).

They screwed up the transfer (to GoDaddy) and virtually refused to do it twice, so it hit the deadline when you cannot transfer anymore before expiration. At that point I said screw register.com's bullcrap high fees. I was going to wait for it to expire and get out of holding, then re-register @ GoDaddy.

Well, of course it never got released, but re-registered on Register.com as if it had never expired (instead of registered on the first date available for release, it was extended a year from the original expiration date, thats how you can tell. )

Now it is held by Register.com with one of those freakin search pages up, as you pointed out.

Sucks... but thats why this needs to be stopped.
#8 Cal on Feb 23 2007, 14:02 Reply
What can WE do to stop this? I've already written ICANN a nasty love letter.
#9 Domenic (www.the-irc.org) on Jan 25 2007, 22:48 Reply
I see a simple solution to the problem - do not allow editing of the DNS record for purchased domains until the purchase has gone 'final'. If you're absolutely sure that you want the domain, then have the customer 'sign' a wavier for refund and bill them immediately. Hey presto.

Also like the restocking fee of 0.50 cents somebody suggested above. That's likely to be a lot easier to implement and, if ICANN enforces, will stomp out the practise pretty quickly.
#10 Geoff Steffens on Jan 20 2007, 21:29 Reply
Correction
the site I mentioned had a final "e" missing and should read maisontropicale.com
#11 Sergio on Dec 21 2006, 06:40 Reply
It seems that there is some confusion.
#11.1 usome (http://www.usome.com) on Aug 27 2007, 20:40 Reply
Regarding Kiting. I have seen one company MAISONTROPICAL.COM engaging in an activity that could be seen as a "pre-kiting".

Instead of registering thousands of expired domains and then not paying for them in the 4-5 post registration period.
This company seems to be able to access in advance what domain I'm searching for.
When I check(this has happened 2 or 3 times for expired domains I previously owned) I find the domain to be taken and when I look up the "who is" ...DA NA the domain has been miraculously registered by them on the same day(or seconds before).
Obviously if I don't approach or offer them anything they won't actually pay for the domain using the traditional kiting system-but if I search for it again it will always be taken and on the same day of my search.

This scam makes a mockery of the domain registration system and means that their "filter" enables them to "re-buy" a domain someone is looking at and forcing us to use them as intermediaries if we want the domain in question.
Sounds very illegal to me
#12 Sergio on Dec 21 2006, 06:23 Reply
It seems this maisontropicale.com is doing more than kiting, I registered a domain name and got web hosting service through networksolutions.com. I uploaded my site. two days later, I found the site was gone and the domain name was registered to this maisontropicale.com. I called network solutions and was told that my account was deleted two days after creation and domain name is now registered by capitoldom to maisontropicale.com and money refunded ( actually the money so sar has not been refunded to me).I guess domain name hijaking is underway by this maisontropicale.com either with or without networksolutions knowledge.

shouldn't networksolutions.om bear the responsibility for this? any advice ?
#12.1 Amer on Feb 26 2007, 05:43 Reply
In replay to June 21, 2006 article on Domain Kiting....

Dear Mr. Parsons,
I think I have a way to stop some of the domain kiting. Do they use the same credit card to buy domain names the second time? Create a database of the credit card numbers that are used for kiting and when they return to you block them. ICANN can't make you except fraud purchases. Another option is "and this is the best" is file felony racketeering charges against a few of them and when this reaches the news it will get around and it will stop fast. It is a organized scheme to defraud. Please go here and call these people. I believe they would be very interested. http://www.fbi.gov/cyberinvest/cyberhome.htm
#13 William Teunis (None yet) on Dec 15 2006, 23:00 Reply
Bob hasn't made it clear why this is such a "travesty." I think the domain kiting scheme is...clever. I'm not sure who gets damaged here - is it the registrars? They get to use someones money for a few days. In any case, they don't seem to mind, otherwise, they could stop the practice, as godaddy has. Somehow, I'm sure, this is damaging godaddy, and that's why Bob Parsons is all up in arms about it.
#14 Bill on Nov 23 2006, 13:52 Reply
AS i have said in the past its all very well keeping this dialog going on and on; it of course serves a purpose and a purpose that may have little to do with the cessation of kiting, its simple those that want to put a stop to it start a class action against the kiters and up the anti, the press will cover it for free and the kiters will be in time stopped.

I invited those who are interested in such to email me to take the matter forward several months ago; Not ONE person, or entity made contact! This is the very reason why kiting continues, nobody does anything to stop it, just like the virus solution software companies do nothing to thwart the virus makers....why would they... yawn.... so if anyone does want to stop the kiters let me know, otherwise the articles just keep coming about how terrible and improper it all is, yeah we know yawn...here hoping jbw email me your thoughts
#14.1 JBW on Nov 25 2006, 09:53 Reply
Dear Bill,

Actually the people who it damages the most are the everyday users of the internet who are deprived of millions of domain names that would otherwise be available — but are being used for free by fat cats who are in a position to game the system.

Appreciate your post,

Bob
#14.2 bob parsons on Nov 24 2006, 18:17 Reply
I'd never heard of godaddy.com until it came up in COUNTLESS blogs about how godaddy.com was engaged in kiting. There are too many ticked off people out there for me to believe Bob Parsons isn't as big a liar as George Bush! Both are the spawn of Satan... DO NOT PUT YOUR TRUST OR YOUR MONEY INTO GODADDY.COM!
Mary
#14.2.1 Mary on Apr 19 2007, 10:44 Reply
Dear Mary:
1st, Bob is away so I am handling his blog.
2nd, we do not engage in kiting. Period. You shouldn't believe everything you read.
3rd, Bob is not a liar. Quite an accusation you level about a man you don't even know. (My lack of response regarding our President shouldn't be taken as any kind of admission that I agree with you; it's just that this blog isn't about politics).
4th, spawn of Satan?
Wow, Mary you need to chill.

Nima Jones
#14.2.1.1 Nima on Apr 20 2007, 11:05 Reply
Bob,
Thanks for brining these shadowy operators to public attention.

Jimmy
#15 Jimmy Olsen on Nov 22 2006, 13:45 Reply
Don't know if you still get updates on posts to older articles or not, but Pool.com has now just turned this practice into a formal business offering that they are calling Catch & Release... from the description of thier offering:

"Catch and Release allows you to be ahead of the game by evaluating domains for as low as 10 cents per domain before making a final purchase decision and registering a domain for a full year. With Catch & Release you can choose the parking service of your choice to measure the traffic and value during a 4.5 day period."

Nice, eh? It's a shame they decided to engage in this practice.


#16 Doug on Nov 16 2006, 12:45 Reply
Bob, have you heard of Pool.com's new Catch & Release service? This is from an email notice I received a few hours ago:

"Pool.com is thrilled to announce the launch of our brand new service called Catch & Release. Pool.com is offering you the opportunity to get ahead of the game by evaluating the traffic and value of domains before registering them for a full year...

Catch and Release allows you to be ahead of the game by evaluating domains for as low as 10 cents per domain before making a final purchase decision and registering a domain for a full year. With Catch & Release you can choose the parking service of your choice to measure the traffic and value during a 4.5 day period."

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. Depending on how it's implemented, it seems like this could be taking kiting to a whole new level.
#17 Scott on Nov 15 2006, 23:27 Reply
The Pool scheme is real, I got the same email too.
#17.1 DP (www.aardwolf.com) on Nov 16 2006, 17:03 Reply
Dear scott,

Actually this is news to me, if in fact they are doing it. But if they are you can bet they won't call it kiting — they'll call it tasting. And in a way I'm glad to see them doing it. Because it is one of those things that's going to mark the beginning of the end of all this nonsense.

Appreciate your post,

Bob
#17.2 bob parsons on Nov 16 2006, 10:12 Reply
I LIKE TO SAY TO EVERYONE: BOYCOT ALL DOMAINS RETRIEVED ON A ILLEGAL BASIS. NEVER BUY OR RECOMMEND ANYONE TO BUY.

I AM ALERGIC FOR THESE PEOPLE, THEY ARE LIKE MAGGOTS WHO NEED TO BE DISTINGWISHED.

DOES SOMEONE HAVE A BLICKLIST OF THESE COMPANIES AND REGISTRARS?
#18 Dan (www.easycasting.co.uk) on Nov 1 2006, 05:04 Reply
Wow... this is my first time heard about Domain kiting, it did not know that 92.3% of domain are not real... Thanks Bob for sharing this piece of information.
#19 Dualfish (http://apple-mac-ipod.blogspot.com) on Oct 30 2006, 19:29 Reply
This is theft by deception. The enttites that do this should be proecuted.
The practice shows clear intent to derive benefit from these domains without paying. Contact the US Attorney General!

#20 David McCombs (www.w3sys.com) on Oct 20 2006, 07:43 Reply
So charge them a 50 cent "restocking" fee for each domain they send back. Done, end of problem. Next! Why is nothing done about this? someone other than those clowns is making money. If you give me $100,000 and let me hold it for one week then I give it back to you for 1 hour then you give it back to me for 5 days..and so on, Im making a nice interest rate on your money. Hey, that's why this problem won't go away anytime soon. ICANN is making money on the deal also, and if you consider that only 10 of these mini registrars each send 100,000$ a week to them, then they are getting interest on 1 million dollars for one week and doing nothing, if you cancelled this scheme, they would lose money. ICANN doesn't care if it hurts the average internet surfer, come on, we are sheep to them.
#21 David L. on Oct 11 2006, 10:03 Reply
Hi Bob,

This is an excellent article opening eyes of many like me. I used to wonder what is going on when i type some url most of the time i see is ad. links. I thought somebody legitimately would have registered these domains and put links out there. But now only i came to know about the truth.

This is not good for Internet. Let's fight together and save the internet.

Appreciate your open mind,

Rafiq.
#22 Rafiq (http://www.ajaxtoday.com) on Oct 10 2006, 11:39 Reply
Interesting
#23 Duk (http://www.in-pocasi.eu) on Oct 9 2006, 09:57 Reply
There's a domain name that I want to register (and actually PAY for!) owned by one of the fake "search engine" companies. Is there any way to wrestle that domain name from them?
#24 Richard D. LeCour (www.richardsramblings.com) on Sep 15 2006, 16:05 Reply
GoDaddy.com's "stock" goes up in value in my book!

When a good business - and I rank GoDaddy.com as a very good business! - points out obvious inefficiencies and crooked practices, it makes me think they're not going to be caught in the cesspool of those practices.

Good job, Mr. Parsons, and keep up the good work!

Dan Ford
GoDaddy.com (Very) Satisfied Customer
#25 Dan Ford (http://www.ecorry.com) on Sep 10 2006, 17:31 Reply
Dear Bob,
I found this article quite good! As always I do respect your blog and all, but there is a couple of things I would like to asked and share some thoughts. Ok I setup an open guestbook for search engines to crawl but not listed on my site on any of my links of what my site have. Here is what happened http://www.rwwn.com/guestbook.asp . You should noticed all the spammer tricks there. I just wish for you to give everyone is how to protect their blogs, guestbooks, and open applications against this. If it is put into a directory that has a robot.txt file in it is one way. For people to understand in words is your words. As a person who understands this I cannot say it in easy to understand words. Thank you for your time sir, Bill
#26 Bill (https://www.rwwn.com) on Aug 28 2006, 02:37 Reply
So, Bob . . .

As "the world's largest" domain registry, why is it that you have not found a young recent gradjitate of a reputable law school (may I suggest Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Gonzaga?) who is looking to make a name for himself and would be interested in attacking the ICANN monster (a.k.a. the U.S. Department of Commerce a.k.a. Verisign) ???

Legal actions filed by people like the late, great, Johnny Cockroach give the aspiring Crown Prince of Torts (Melvin, we apologize) a global media Bully Pulpit from which he can often accomplish more than can be accomplished through actual litigation.

If the glove don't fit, y'all must acquit? ;-0

I prefer "if the shoe fits, wear it!" :|
#27 Dr. Clark R. Mankin, Ph.D. (http://www.clarkmankin.com) on Aug 20 2006, 16:34 Reply
Well said, why don't you Bob?
#27.1 Dustin (www.digmann.com) on Dec 12 2006, 08:20 Reply
It seems that there is some confusion. It's not people who are kiting these domain names, it's other registars. Not necessarily large registars such as godaddy, but the small registars. They go through the process, pay the fee's, and then register as many domains as they are allowed, which I believe from the radio show was 100,000 a day, then at 4days 23hours they say, "Oh, I don't want this anymore, I want a refund, 100,000 times." Then they start the process all over again.

The only thing registars such as godaddy can do is complain to ICANN, but it would appear they find it easier to sit and do nothing.

Kinda makes me wonder if icann has an interest bearing account, so they are making interest of the fee's for that 5 days, so it's finanically in their interest to do nothing...
#28 William (www.namebrandhandle.net) on Aug 14 2006, 11:53 Reply
yup. as usual, follow the money, and it will lead you somewhere. makes sense to me.
#28.1 mike on Aug 16 2006, 23:33 Reply
so, If I back order a domain name, wouldn't I have a chance to grab the registration every 5 days in the cycle when they cancelled, right before they re-registered?

~Brad
#29 Brad Wood (www.bradwood.com) on Aug 11 2006, 08:59 Reply
I think you should have some of your lawyer friends bring public attorney general actions against individuals and corporations involved in unfair business practices. Those statutes exist to prevent the public from being harmed.

Yes, it's a problem that Verisign should address, but that doesn't absolve other interested parties from doing something about it.

Just a suggestion. =-)

-Mystery Cookie

www.myspace.com/mysterycookie

#30 Mystery Cookie (www.myspace.com/mysterycookie) on Aug 9 2006, 20:52 Reply
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