I was heartened to see that Google is taking steps to cut off AdSense revenues from those who are engaged in both domain Kiting and domain Sampling.

Now mayby those of us who try to play by the rules will have half a chance.
#1 Frank Vaughan (www.VWIP.org) on Feb 5 2008, 14:08 Reply
While we're on the subject of horrifying experiences with website companies, I'll vent.

I wanted to own a domain, hosting & FTP so I could send e-mails & files freely without file size limittions as I have experienced in my 10+ years of using the internet, so I bought a domain and hosting package through Network Solutions. All was fine for about a year.

Then the spam began. Absolutely every time I attempted to log in to my account, e-mail them or even call, 90% of my time was wasted by them using high pressure tactics to try to sell me more stuff that I don't want or need.

The only problem with that is that I never have used what I bought. I just want it there in case I need to send files larger then what the size limitations are on e-mail accounts.

After NSOL had consumed approximately 200 hours of my time in a 6 months period I told them to cut it out or I would cancel my account. Sure enough they kept it up so I jumped ship and came to GoDaddy.

It's worse. Here I come to GoDaddy and pay them $100 for domain, hosting and FTP and it's horrible. The complexity requirements on FTP are horrible and to pour salt in the wound, the usernames are across the entire GoDaddy system. That means if Jim123 exists on ANY GoDaddy registered name, you can't have it. That also means everyone is on the same domain as you if you use FTP which is as loose as you can get with security.

I have made a dozen attempts to get somewhere with support staff and all I know is I have wasted 50 hours + of my time with these people and I get nowhere. If I spend 200 hours trying to pick usernames that do not exist anywhere on the entire GoDaddy network that only makes me the idiot for falling for the scam.

So I figure I'll just buy a server and get rid of them. After all, I only intend to use it if I want to send a file larger then what e-mail systems allow. But then my isp wants to consider me a commercial user to get a static IP and pay out the nose for that.

Why is this industry so full of pigs? Pig is a business term for a greedy person who ends up ruining a business because of his greed. Everyone in this industry is a pig.

If anyone knows of a legitimate business that does hosting, please let me know who it is. I'm looking forward to doing business with them. I have yet to find one.
#2 Michael on Jan 19 2008, 20:27 Reply
Here is a real life example of domain name kiting. I just learned about this kiting phenomenon, which I now call thievery. It happened to me because of a series of errors. The real life incident requires explaining, please read to the end. Stupidly, I registered a domain name with NETFIRMS because of a bait and switch Ad. FYI, Netfirms is a terrible terrible terrible unscrupulous company in many ways. NETFIRMS lack of customer care and incompetent service is why I wanted to move my domain name to Godaddy.

Luckily I did not build a site and had no traffic. I thought it would be easy to transfer the name to Godaddy. However, Netfirms would not release my domain name. I followed all of the procedures such as confirming emails, entering codes, and everything else which was required to allow the release of my domain name from Netfirms to Godaddy. I spend many hours on the Internet and phone trying to solve the problem. Netfirms, whose customer service is the worst, saw all of my efforts and acknowledged that I followed the procedure but could do nothing more. Godaddy, whose customer service is the best, tried to help but could only do so much. Ultimately, I decided to let the domain name expire and capture it with a backorder through Godaddy. Finally, after months of holding my domain name hostage, even after it expired, the domain name was released by Netfirms.

Guess what—— a kiting registrar NAMESCOUT . com captured my domain name before Godaddy. The preemptive capture took place in microseconds. I called Godaddy support to ask what happened. A very smart Godaddy technician explained to me (kiting). He suggested I be patient because the registrar crook (my words), Namescout, would probably release the domain name if they do not see any search activity on the name.

Luckily, the registrar thief (my words),NAMESCOUT, released the name within the 5 day period and Godaddy picked it up for me. Keep in mind that I owned the domain name to begin with.

Accolades to Bob Parsons for addressing this issue. Those who made comments on this subject in favor of kiting are probably the thieves. There is a difference between capitalistic ventures and opportunists. Kiting companies are opportunists with absolutely no values and should be shut down.

Thumbs up to BOB PARSONS —- again!!!!!

Shame on you—- Netfirms and Namescout.
#3 Mike Jacobs on Oct 13 2007, 09:13 Reply
A domain registration company in China notified us (Denny Magic Studios.Com) two months ago and explained that a Hong Kong company was attempting to file several domain names using our company name, for domains that will be held in China.

At first I thought that this company was trying to be helpful by notifying us... I responded as a thankful business person... but essentially was told that "they could care less" and were just passing on this request to keep themselves in the clear, AND... if I didn't act on these domains they would be selling them to this bogus company.

They added that either this company was attempting to cyber-squat on the domains until we grew so big that we would be willing to pay them a premium to acquire them back.

OR... (and this one REALLY fried up my anger)

That they were hired by one of our competitors so that they could "sabotage" us in the eyes of any Chinese clients that responded to "Their" version of our web site.

I got on the telephone with Go-Daddy and within a couple of days had secured all but two domains in China. There are a couple that I was not able to secure remotely from the US.

With China expected to build 28 new theme parks by the year 2010, you can understand why we'd like a piece of that market (we design rides and attractions for theme parks).

I am not a lawyer, but I can tell you that once this happens to a huge corporation, laws will suddenly pop up to protect legit businesses like us, and their legal domains.

It is just too bad that this can (and will) happen to us little guys, until someone huge gets burned. VERY frustrating to say the least!

Denny Magic
www.dennymagicstudios.com
#3.1 Denny Magic (http://www.dmagic@dennymagicstudios.com) on Dec 2 2007, 19:23 Reply
excellent blog
#3.2 LAURIER D. CHABOT (http://www.cashforfurcoats.com/) on Oct 20 2007, 04:30 Reply
Bob, you blame "kiting" (your word, not mine) for the lack of available domains. The truth, however, is that kiting helps domain availability. By definition, domain kiting involves deleting a domain and making it available for everyone else. If the people who engaged in domain kiting simply kept the domains they registered there'd be a whole lot less domains available, by your own admission.

If someone has stumbled across a domain they want, and it's not available, perhaps they should try again in a week if kiting is such a huge problem as you make it out to be.

Obviously your post is just an attempt at riling up the masses against other registrars; some of whom allow their customers to take advantage of this policy and inevitably generate more revenue for themselves.
#4 Jason Kolesnikowicz on Sep 12 2007, 15:39 Reply
Jason,

You are obviously either an abuser of the system yourself, or are ignorant of the facts of this situation. If the latter is true, you should do your homework before you attempt to leave a meaningful comment.

You contention that kiting helps domain availability is absurd. If there were no grace period then the abusers could not afford to register hundreds of thousands of names at a time (tasting), because they would actually have to pay for them. They would be forced to actually pay for the domains they want, not just leave a deposit as they do now (kiting). That wouldn't be financially viable.

You say that "If the people who engaged in domain kiting simply kept the domains they registered there'd be a whole lot less domains available", but you ignore the important fact that they won't keep them because then they'd actually have to pay for them.

I don't agree with Bob on a lot of stuff, but he is dead on regarding this issue.
#4.1 Eric on Feb 1 2008, 14:37 Reply
Eric:

You are assuming several things. One, you state that "tasting" is "registering hundreds of thousands of domains at a time". If any registrar were doing this, he would stick out like a sore thumb and I'm sure the problem would be resolved. The fact of the matter is, there were less than fifty thousand .com's deleted yesterday, and I'm sure they weren't all due to "tasting". This problem may have been raging out of control last year, but it doesn't seem to be now. This is quite possibly because the payoff simply isn't there anymore.

Obviously you disagree with my arguement that kiting helps domain availablitly. You state that it wouldn't be financially viable for one to keep the domains he wants. I think you meant to say that he wouldn't register the domains in the first place. How do you know what is financially viable and what isn't? I assume this isn't your line of business. The fact remains that if the ability to delete domains within a grace period was not there, domains would be registered and kept from someone who actually wants it.

The simple fact of the matter is that kiting increases the number of registrations that "stick", and this is why VeriSign will not be ending the practise any time soon. (It's also why we're still having this conversation nearly a year later.)
#4.1.1 Jason Kolesnikowicz on Feb 8 2008, 06:51 Reply
Dear Jason,

You are dead wrong. Both kiting and tasting do nothing to increase the number of registrations. And there are in fact registrars who exist to do nothing but this and do so to the tune of millions of domain names per month.

The sooner both of these abuses are eliminated the better for the domain industry.

Bob
#4.1.1.1 bob parsons on Feb 8 2008, 07:01 Reply
It should be OBVIOUS how to end tasting and kiting.

STOP THE 5 DAY GRACE PERIOD.

Tasting and kiting only happens because of it.

Andy
#5 anonymous on Aug 31 2007, 22:51 Reply
In regard to the 51.5 million domain that were deleted in Feb: I don't know about Feb 07 statistics, but in March 07 (according to Verisign's report), the Registrar Belgiumdomains AKA Capitaldomains AKA Domaindoorman (same website + same address = same company) were responsible for 33.5 million domain deletions, presumably all within the 5-day period.
Therefore, it would appear that over 50% of domain kiting is actually the result of a single entity.
#6 JB on Aug 22 2007, 05:55 Reply
I don't know how all of this works, but, it sounds to me as if the kiting thing might be coming from the inside.
#7 The Fred (http://www.THEFREDKNOWS.COM) on Aug 22 2007, 03:29 Reply
Bob,
Why don't you start an online petition to force ICANN to regulate the domain tasting and kiting activity you speak about? We don’t expect any action from ICANN without your help to spread the petition far and wide. You could start with an email to all your customers and a banner on the homepages of your websites. Bloggers and webmasters would discuss the issue and link to your petition. I believe you have the desire and the capability to pull this off. You can make a difference for all of us and we'll help.
Go for it, Bob! I'll be first to sign.
Thanks in advance for fightin' the fight. Let's Roll!!
#8 Ron on Aug 6 2007, 12:10 Reply
I can't believe what a problem the daomain situation is. For the last few weeks, my husband who has started and sold two successful tech companies, has been seeking out a new company name and domain name. He has been completely unsuccessful at identifying a reasonable domain name to launch his new company.

Of course, he can come up with a totally unique word/name and play on the unqiueness (ala Yahoo, Google, etc.) But That strategy is clearly not for every starup as it provides no clear idea of what the business does nor does it provide any extra search optimization boost.

This situation is totally and completely out of control. I'm glad to see someone of Bob's stature is taking up the issue and talking to people who can do something about it!

Keep up the good fight.

Kathryn
www.thank-you-note-samples.com

#9 Kathryn Milano (www.thank-you-note-samples.com) on Aug 2 2007, 13:45 Reply
Dear Bob, my son just called and asked me
to bring up your site. I don't really know why, unless it
was the fact that I was a female auto racer with full
credentials from 1970 to 1979. I was certified to race Nascar, usac, sprints and midgets.
Some of my auto racing is displayed on my website www.joywilkerson.com
All of my Vietnam and auto racing memorabilia can be found on line at the Virtual Vietnam Archive, University of Texas Tech, Lubbock, Texas. I sent all of my trophies, fire suits, helmets etc. to the Virtual Vietnam Archive.
The women who are pro auto racers today are very fortunate to have a car built just for them.
Sincerely
Joy Wilkerson
my book is "Bring Joy to Vietnam" I was in Vietnam with Dale Robertson April 1967
#10 joy wilkerson (www.joywilkerson.com) on Jul 30 2007, 14:24 Reply
I'm relatively new to the domain name arena and was dumbfounded by the fact that anyone with the cash can scoop up names for resale and leasing. That's not how it works with trademarks. In order to maintain rights over a trademark you must actually USE it in commerce. I think a similar law should be in place for domain names, which are essentially trademarks used in a broader arena.
#11 Ed Hansen on Jul 28 2007, 12:51 Reply
I'm with you on that one, people are treating domains like stocks, unlike stocks the domain after market creates ransom situations, tedious legal proceedings, I propose this, all domains are strictly tied to Federal Trademark laws, along with your service mark etc, up to three variations of you name are registered, meaning you don't even have to worry about registering the domain name, someone has it, you provide proof the registrar is forced to extract it from their account and move it to yours, a stiffer approach registrar can't sell it without trademark proof, forcing registrars to market directly to the trademark owners if they want their business, sound to crazy?
#11.1 Mario on Dec 20 2007, 08:08 Reply
Hello,

What can we do to help you in your cause against kiting? Do we write our congressman? Do we write ICANN?
Please advise.


Thanks,
Henry
#12 Sahibinden (http://www.alcamsatcam.com) on Jul 21 2007, 07:01 Reply
Bob,

Here's more fodder you can toss at ICANN...I vote we ban mass registrations of domain names by people hoping to make a killing reselling them! Sorry, if that might cut into the number of registrations you sell, but it now takes SEVERAL WEEKS or possibly months to find an acceptable domain name for a legitimate business. Notice I didn't say a "good" domain name, just an "acceptable" domain name. For the past few weeks, my business partner and I have researched the availability of hundreds of possible domain names only to find a few "so-so" that are available. Granted, many names are registered to "real" websites....but most are just parked by resellers hoping to markup the price several hundred times the cost of their original registration. That was NOT the original intent of ICANN when domain name registrations were priced at an affordable $5 to $10 per year! ICANN's intent was NOT to make registrations affordable so speculators could mass register hundreds of names in hopes of selling a few to make a killing! We should ban the reselling of domain names for more than the ICANN cost of registration.....take away the profit and the problem goes away. I'll bet we'll find there are still lots of good names available for real businesses.

And another thing while I'm ranting....I'm sick of googling for information only to be routed to a "vaporpage" full of affiliate links and no content!! We should put a stop to this, too!

I vote we ban all this crap before the quality of the web turns into nothing more than a swap meet filled with "get rich quick" schemers and scammers!
#13 D. Collins on Jul 10 2007, 21:53 Reply
"before the quality of the web turns into nothing more than a swap meet filled with "get rich quick" schemers and scammers"



TOO LATE!
#13.1 JohnKennedysBrain on Aug 3 2007, 09:58 Reply
I suppose your business partner would be in agreement with government legislation banning selling any product or service above its wholesale cost. How would a retailer or restaurant or manufacturer pay its overhead? How could a software firm or beverage company afford to spend on R&D and marketing? In any industry there is competition and yet industry stats indicate only 1-2% of domains are actually sold. So if a speculator buys 50 domains for slightly under $500, given that the high-traffic domains are generally taken, at what price does the speculator need to sell to break even? Don't forget the time and effort involved in finding 50 decent names worth registering, listing them for sale and forwarding them (to get peanuts in PPC income) and the 10% commission SEDO charges on domain sales. And of course the buyer wants that quality domain name for under $100!!!


#13.2 anon on Jul 25 2007, 14:54 Reply

I am not a GoDaddy customer yet, but thought this might help.

If the tasters get a 5-day grace period, all registrants must get it too, right? Thene, when you search the domain name before dinner, why couldn't one simply register the domain and later, within 5 days, cancel it if one doesn't need it. I mean, whether it is two hours or a month, if it is available, and you need it, what's the point in waiting and giving the squatters a chance?

If they already got it, too bad, if you found it in time, at GoDaddy prices, BUY!
#14 Anil R (aliveindia.com) on Jul 9 2007, 08:07 Reply
Hello Bob,

I have a question about the new agreement you have with Fabulous.com and the Domain Distribution Network (DDN).

I'd certainly like to test this out with the 150 names I have with godaddy but that would mean I would need to move them to Fab..

see what's wrong with that picture ! ;)

Certainly I am mistaken and I do not need to move my domains from godaddy (that are availale for aftermarket sales) just to be seen on Godaddy ..

enlighten me please

and keep up the good work


#15 Dan McCullough (e85vehicles.com) on Jul 2 2007, 15:05 Reply
Why does everybody have to get so bent out of shape all the time!!

Go find a happy place! and take your negativity with you.

John
#16 John (http://www.forestcleaning.com) on Jul 2 2007, 07:51 Reply
Bob Parsons,

What can we do to help you in your cause against kiting? Do we write our congressman? Do we write ICANN? If so, what information should we provide him, and where do we send our letters? Email or paper mail?

Please advise.


Thanks,
Toby
#17 Toby Foote on Jun 30 2007, 10:16 Reply
Dear Bob,

Thank you for your support of American open wheel racing, with your sponsorship of Andretti-Green Racing.

I especially appreciate that, in this new age of "corporate spokesman" race drivers, i.e. they have their personalities surgically removed (See: Tony Stewart), you're letting Danica "off the leash" (so to speak).

Back in the Glory Years of Indy racing, when racers with names like Unser, Gurney, Foyt, Rutherford and Andretti ruled the roost, they weren't expected to be a "spokesmodel" for their corporate sponsor — Just ask the employees at the bars & strip joints around any track! :-)

Alas, today, when a driver (especially a NASCAR android) wants to let loose, s/he has to reign it in, lest their corporate masters get upset. Too bad Danica didn't put a fist into Dan Wheldon's mouth up at Milwaukee... One could only hope next time she she's more like AJ — And you give her a bonus for every 11PM local news "sports highlight" your logo shows up on.

Again, thank you for your support of American Open Wheel Racing.

Dan Schwartz
Sayreville, NJ
#18 Dan Schwartz (http://users.snip.net/~joe/default.htm) on Jun 27 2007, 11:59 Reply
Bob,

Quickly, GoDaddy rocks.

Now on to the kiting thing. How much value would there be in modifying your site so it does the following:

When a person puts in a domain they want and it comes up as unavailable, have a link on it that the user can click on to indicate that they would have bought it (perhaps with a level of confidence ("I'm positive I would have", "I might have", etc.). Don't put "I wouldn't have" because if they wouldn't have bought it, they wouldn't have searched for it (and it could skew the metrics - see below).

At the same time as the above, I'm assuming you also have visibility of when domains pop in and out of existence.

With both these sets of data available, presumably they could be used to demonstrate money that could have been made had the domains been purchased by legitimate (long-term) customers. Then, you could get with your peers at the other registrars and beat up on ICANN because they are causing everyone to lose so much money.

Russ






#19 Russ K on Jun 25 2007, 10:42 Reply
Great move Bob, we welcome registerfly customers to our Godaddy family, guys Godaddy really Rocks! Welcome, to the best domain name company in the business :)
#20 Manpreet Singh Chandoak (www.manpreetsingh.com) on Jun 25 2007, 08:18 Reply
Bob, what is tasting and kiting, sounds like some type of old ladies social club.
#21 Jim (http://www.bennieandruddie.com) on Jun 25 2007, 05:58 Reply
Jim, this article should answer your questions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting
#21.1 JL on Jul 16 2007, 10:18 Reply


Bob Parsons goes the extra mile to help people in need. Parsons is a volunteer for Community Food Share, a food bank for Boulder and Broomfield counties. He has a regular shift with Elder Share, a CFS program that distributes nutritionally balanced groceries to low-income senior citizens.

Every other Friday, Parsons loads and drives a van of food to the American Legion building in Boulder, where he and other volunteers fill bags with eight or nine food items and distribute them to recipients in the program. The groceries help supplement seniors’ food budgets over the course of a month.

“We’re just handing out groceries. It’s a fun thing,” Parsons said. “They’re very appreciative. Some of them kind of enjoy getting out.”

Parsons also acts as a substitute for paid CFS drivers who are out sick or on vacation. He and another volunteer drive a truck to area grocery stores to pick up donations. They also sort and weigh the items.

“If Bob does it, we know it’s done right,” said Sue Ericson, volunteer coordinator for Community Food Share. “He’s so accessible. I can call him at the last minute, and he’ll say ‘yes’ if he’s available.”
#22 BlogCk (http://AARPDiscounts.com) on Jun 23 2007, 22:12 Reply
Dear BlogCK:

Although our Bob Parsons is truly a charitable individual, he doesn't volunteer for Community Food Share in Boulder. Too long a drive from the Phoenix Metropolitan area.

Appreciate your post,

Nima
#22.1 Nima on Jun 25 2007, 11:15 Reply
Domain tasting is one of the reasons why it is hard to reregister even an obscure domain name that you have inadvertently let expire. If google simply blocked income-producing adsense ads from being displayed on a domain that has been registered to a new registrant for less than a month, at least one motive for domain tasting would disappear. because the cash flow economics would be turned upside down. This would only harm people who buy or "taste" expired domains to divert traffic to adsense ads. Since this kind of traffic is not the kind google wants directed to adsense, this shouldn't be an issue for them
#23 david (articleplr.com) on Jun 22 2007, 15:48 Reply
Where is Bob?

Is he OK?

We need to know!
#24 FedUp (http://LuckysJeans.com) on Jun 21 2007, 23:30 Reply
Dear FedUp:

Please know that Bob is alive & well. He is on a well deserved sabbatical and will be returning to the blog shortly. In fact, we are conducting a "Where in the World is Bob?" contest on his weekly podcast, LifeOnline www.lifeoneline.com, which airs at 1 pm PT/4pm ET every Wednesday. Tune in and hear clue # 3 this week!

Appreciate your post,

Nima
#24.1 Nima on Jun 25 2007, 10:57 Reply
Hi Nima,

So Bob is "away" and we get to guess where he is. Here are my guesses:

1) A psychiatric hospital.
2) An alchol/drug rehab center.
3) In a lawers office filing for divorce (about time).
4) In bed banging one or more of the "go daddy" girls.
5) In an emergency room getting that dorky ring removed from his ear.
6) In an emergency room getting some of his employees lips detached from his ass.

Let me know what I win!!!!

Your Friend,

Bobb Cobb
#24.1.1 Bobb Cobb on Jun 28 2007, 20:33 Reply
Dear Mr. Cobb,

You're wrong on all counts. Maybe next time Mr. Cobb.

I think our next contest will be....who IS Bobb Cobb? My guess is that you're a Truman Capote look and act alike who communicates only through a keyboard. Am I close Mr. Cobb?

Happy 4th of July,

Bob
#24.1.1.1 bob parsons on Jul 3 2007, 18:08 Reply
Hi Bob,

Truman Capote? He was a genius, I am no genius. And as ugly as Capote was, unfortunately I am even uglier. The truth hurts. I hope these clues help.

I hope you had a great 4th!

Your Friend,

Bobb Cobb
#24.1.1.1.1 Bobb Cobb on Jul 5 2007, 21:48 Reply
Bob,

You are doing a great job. My company recently joined your reselling program about six months ago and I must say, IT IS THE GREATEST thing we have done. : )


Peter
#25 Peter Klu (http://www.mydigitalix.com) on Jun 20 2007, 10:54 Reply
Bob, Thank you & everybody at GoDaddy for your help in resolving our problems at RegisterFly!!!
#26 Paul Bravell (none) on Jun 18 2007, 18:20 Reply
I don't normally use such a strong word, but I personally h*te those sites that are nothing but a collection of links. They're the equivalent of getting a cyber-wedgie.
#27 Jennifer (www.covenantrosary.com) on Jun 16 2007, 09:10 Reply
I guess that's why 'nobody' likes Google...
#27.1 Techead on Jun 25 2007, 09:37 Reply
Aloha Bob,

Just wanted to say thank you (again) for GoDaddy's commitment to customer service. As a 35 plus year veteran of the IT wars, I struggled with the problems of doing business on the web under NetSol's dominion. Frankly, I'm surprised they have retained any market share at all. Keep up the good work and enjoy your success, you earned it the right way.
#28 kulawebguy (kulawebguy.com) on Jun 16 2007, 02:23 Reply
I’d personally like to the flowing domain extensions added: .INC, .LLC and .CORP. I strongly believe those additions would free millions to register their company domain names in shorter, more specific names.

I mean, it’s a heck of a lot smarter than ".biz"

Hopefully, someone at GoDaddy aggress, and will lobby for it.
#29 Joe F (www.gar-nj.com) on Jun 15 2007, 18:00 Reply
Totally off topic:

I think a UFC sponsorship would be in keeping with GoDaddy's trendy image and make a connection with a lot of fans. GoDaddy could be the first major UFC sponsor and support the manly warrior culture. Plus, there is a lot of web traffic generated by fighter/fan sights. Think about it...
#30 Ned Ferguson on Jun 14 2007, 18:03 Reply
I work for GoDaddy and fully agree. As I am a cage fighter as well as tech support I would love for GoDaddy to sponser a fighter. There are a number of great ones that would show the spirit of GoDaddy, great support and a little bit inappropriate!
#30.1 john (tnainmydna.com) on Jun 19 2007, 09:23 Reply
I think they should sponsor RAMPAGE!!
#30.1.1 Matt (counterstrikesource.com) on Jun 21 2007, 02:11 Reply